The Right To Choice

WV Right To Life is staging a campaign, with help from a few of our state senators, to remove abortions as part of the health care system for the poor. Meaning, the health care program for poor women in the state would no longer pay for abortions. This would leave many women in WV with no choice. Children would be born into poverty in a family that did not want them.

The spokesperson for WV RTL was on a local radio show this week and made the comment that there were no women receiving back room abortions or home abortions so it wasn't an issue.

Maddam, do you understand sub standard care and homemade abortions are not an issue in this state because present health care provides abortions for those that have made the difficult choice?

The statement shows her age. Were she into her 50's she would remember the whispers of those who had been taken to the hospital with complications.

IF abortions are removed from the list of approved proceedures that the state pays for, you will see illness and injuries return from "homemade" abortions and doctors who do back alley terminations in unsanitary and unsafe settings.

If the only reason to remove abortion from health care in WV has a resonating religious ring to it then let's stop now. Doing so would be prejudical and simply wrong.

I don't advocate abortion. I think there are other options that should be explored first but in no way do I believe the state - or any other entity - should be providing this for the mother.

If you believe abortions are wrong, then advocate help for those women who need child care to work. Advocate the system help families survive instead of punishing them twice - once by denying the abortion and the second time by denying them aid to stay afloat. Advocate adoptions be made simplier and that social worker numbers be increased to stop the abuses of over worked staffers who care, but who are overwhelmed with their case loads.

It's a front. The call to stop abortions is a superficial front.
If you care about people, about children, abortion will be the LAST issue you campaign on.

Attention James Holms - gutless wonder

Talking about me without my being able to reply. Takes a real man to do that - NOT

There have been no lies, Holmey. I have presented this issue EXACTLY as it occurred.
I would strongly advise you not to lie about words or intent.

I love message archives.

Lemme see - who called who?

For those that know what this is about:

"Friends" have revealed themselves to be false and willing to misrepresent the truth.
I offer the following:

will get back to you, but I wouldn't mind talking on the phone again sometime...if you are up to it. It helps me to get the pulse of whats really going on, and it might help us figure out how to go forward in this contentious election season. In all honesty, I'm always available to you, as I do consider you a friend.To cut to the chase, my number (again) is XXX-XXX-XXXX (If I ever gave you my cell phone #, it's different now). However, I don't mind calling you since I have free long distance (and, of course, your # will be held private), so don't hesitate in asking me to call you instead.Be well.Regards,Rich...

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Need to talk voice and iron this out.


I'm game. When's good for you? I could call you any time, for the most part, starting right now. Let me know. GoU

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BTW, I'm always willing to take a phone call from you if you've got something on your mind. Recluse that I am, I've actually found it easier to communicate sometimes over the phone. I talk to Holmey, Matt, Gounion, Norm Goldman, and others on a regular basis because of this. If anything, it's brought me more out of the real-life shell I try to conceal myself behind.Cheers,Rich...

Did progressive Talk work?

Did anyone hear the claims that progressive talk wouldn't work? That it wouldn't be viable?

I don't recall hearing the comment uttered but saw several posts from those who claimed to have heard the prediction.

Well, it's been a couple of years now. Did it work?
You be the judge:

http://www.talkers.com/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=44

Yes, there are a lot of conservative hosts there, the top 4 are all basically conservative, but scroll down the page and you'll see a fairly decent mixture of both conservative and liberal hosts.

It took Rush many years to open up his market. In comparison it's taken these liberal hosts a fraction of the time to make their mark.

The market is open. If someone fails they need to reconsider their tactics and style. And when someone begins to drop in these polls they might want to reconsider their methods and words.

A mixture is good. We need opposition. We need both sides to have voices. The dialogue must begin.

OH! And scifi geeks! Scroll down through that list until you get to a familiar B5 name. Jerry Doyle!!! A member of the top 100!!

More on James Holmey Holmes

The Ed Schultz show has now banned me from their message boards and my emailed complaints to the admins has been rejected. Evidently Holmey, unable to intimidate me, attempts to silence me by banning me.

He is a coward as well as misrepresenting what is said to him. He does not desire to debate but to preach.

The Ed Schultz show is not where America comes to talk. It's where Ed and Holmey come to have their egos stroked.

And that's why the show will ultimately fail.

It took years for Rush's ego to over take his common sense. His show was much more energized and entertaining when he took himself less seriously.

Ed got there in a few short years. Where he used to tell his listeners it was not his job, goal or objective to be a leader for dems in politics, he now takes credit for their success. He needs to check his ego, get rid of his intimidation prone producer and get his balance back.

Disillusioned doesn't come close....

Denial of Free Speech

Do forum owners owe their fans or members the right to post whatever they wish?

Well, of course not. The community belongs to them. They can censor it as they wish.
But in doing so, let's not pretend that we have a willingness to hear all sides of an issue. Let's not advocate this is where "America Comes To Talk"

That's the current motto for the Ed Schultz show and I've recently discovered how untrue that is.

A public figure is always open to criticism, that is and has been evident since the first motion picture star had his face plastered across a screen or the first politician was met with waving of flags and cheers. We, as people, seem to love the gossip of those deemed bigger than life.

Anna Nicole Smith was one of those people. She evoked strong reactions in people. Some loved her and some found no value in her.

But most kept decorum in place when she died.

No so, Ed Schultz.
With the bluster of one who felt comfortable condemning someone he had never met, Ed called the newly dead woman a "whore". His listeners reacted quickly.

A few agreed with him. Most did not.

A few women compared their own personal demons with ANS and found themselves also labeled by this term.

Instead of doing damage control or nipping it in the bud, he dug in his heels and refused to admit he might have erred by his use of the term or apologize for his comments.

His transgression was compounded by his producer, "Holmey",who continued the rant on the ESS message board.

His transgression multiplied, in my eyes, with his phone calls to me.

I have talked to many members of the ESS board through the phone. Voice makes it so much easier to get across necessary points and solve conflicts. I expected the same thing from Holmey.

He wanted to call late on a Saturday night and after a long day of working on a house project, I didn't have the energy to start a long drawn out phone conversation at bed time. So I told him to call Sunday, after 6 as I would be working once more on that house project.

Next morning as I was quickly scanning the board and scarfing down a muffin in preparation of leaving for mass, imagine my surprise when without expecting it, Holmey called. Evidently seeing my name on the ESS board is permission for him to call.

I thought, ok, a quick convo and then I'll run quickly to mass. I started by attempting to explain how offensive the term was to women and that was the LAST full sentence I got out. I was interrupted and my words were morphed in his comments. I attempted to say that virtually every woman on the ESS board took offense to the term but before I completed the sentence he was accusing me of saying ALL WOMEN EVERY WHERE took offense. Which was BS because I didn't make that claim.

After a few more attempts to speak I asked him if he were going to let me finish a sentence and then finally cut the conversation off, telling him I had to go to mass and if he wanted to call later to DISCUSS the issue he could but that I was NOT accepting calls simply to berate me.

Imagine my surprise when a week later he accused me of playing a victim and not being willing to talk.

That was simply a LIE. Now whether it was a lie because Holmey doesn't listen well or whether he wanted to make himself a victim, it was NOT the truth OR my position.

So at ELEVEN O'CLOCK PM on a school night he calls AGAIN and wants to talk. I attempted
AGAIN to tell him it had been a long day, I get up at 5 am and I was NOT going to engage in a long conversation THAT LATE at night.

We agree to talk today, actually, and he asked I edit my post so as not to reflect he was a liar, I agreed on the condition HE edited his claim I wasn't willing to talk and wanted to play a victim.

Evidently my editing wasn't up to par for him because he deleted the thread and has deleted every other comment I've made in reference to this situation.

Holmey is a hypocrite.
He cries free speech in his ability to call a newly dead woman a whore but then refuses his critics to expound on his actions.

Edited at 11:17 pm
One of the threads has been restored but NOT the ones that discuss the phone conversations.


Edited at 10:08 pm 2/17/07
Guess who called again tonight, even after my asking him not to, to berate and threaten me again? He has been reported.

Enough is enough